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LynW
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:09:34 PM Quote
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After 11 months wait for my routine rheumatology appointment ( two appointments, 1st Feb and 7th June were cancelled) I find, from my Biologics nurse, that I have a new consultant. I suppose par for the course that it might be too much to expect to be informed of this change by letter; the very least I consider to be both good management and polite.

Monday 28th June 11.45am appointment. I arrive. I book in. So far so good, but ... what is that thin looking file that purports to be my notes? Why am I on a temporary file?
“Ah well Mrs Wilson we don’t seem to be able to locate your notes at the present time.”
”That would be a kind way of saying they’re lost then?”
“Not exactly lost, no, just unavailable and as soon as they are located they will be amalgamated.”
Oh good not lost then, phew! Clearly the clerk things I’m a brainless idiot!! Of course the notes are lost, missing in action, nowhere to be seen, not where they are supposed to be!

Calm down, don’t get upset, even though it’s bl**dy annoying after waiting 11 months. I sit. I wait. I get stiff. I get up. I walk. I sit down. I talk and then ... repeat several times over. It’s now 12.15pm and people are complaining. There are at least three in front of me.
“Yes Mrs Wilson there is a bit of a wait, doctor is running a little behind schedule.” Running? Running? Oh come on they must be having me on! The fastest I’ve seen anyone here move was when the nurses lunch arrived and they all bu**ered off into the treatment room to stuff their faces.

I sit. I wait. I get stiff. I get up. I walk. I sit down. I talk. I moan. I have an appointment at 1.15pm 9 miles away. It’s now 12.45pm. I phone and explain I will be late; I hate being late. I interrupt nurses lunch. I can’t wait. Things to do. Places to go. People to see.
“Can I please have an appointment for next week, I can’t wait any longer and I have already waited over an hour?”
“No sorry, if you don’t see the doctor today the next appointment may be 5 or 6 months .”

I sit. I wait. I get stiff. I get up. I walk. I sit down. I don’t talk there’s no-one left. Just me then. Good news ... I’m next! Tick tock tick tock tick tock. Its 1.05pm.
“Would you like to come in Mrs Wilson?” Hmm .... would I?

In I go. I try to be pleasant but clearly this is not going to be an easy appointment and it hasn’t got off to a good start. No apology. No notes. A two minute potted history is required. 22 years squeezed into a nut shell, medications, operations, x-rays, scans, investigations, problems. Just as well my written notes are fairly good because we’d have been up a creek without a paddle without them.

Upshot is neutropenia not good, there’s a surprise! Caused by 15mgs of methotrexate. Really? You don’t say! Apparently meds will need to be changed and she seems to be under some impression that I can’t have Enbrel without methotrexate, because it’s a combination therapy so I will have to go back on a DMARD. I have had them all, except one whose name escaped me, and failed on them. My DAS is now good and joints not too bad so I probably don’t qualify for anti tnfs. What? So let me get this right once the biologic does its job and gets the disease under control you no longer qualify for anti-tnfs because your DAS has come down and you no longer have the required number of tender or swollen joints. Well that’s good news then because if we carry on like this eventually I will be cured!!! So I transfer to a DMARD. Then what happens when joints become inflamed, DAS goes up will I be considered for a biologic? I’ve already had two remember, so probably not. Clearly she hadn’t thought this through and is quite possibly still pondering on it!

Not the slightest idea where I go from here so an appointment well worth waiting for. Oh yes she has managed to book me for an ultrasound of my bladder and a cystoscopy to work out why I keep getting infections. Oh and yes I do have the Rheumatology Nurse Practitioner’s phone number should I need to get in touch. Why on earth would I want to do that?! See you in six months then! I think not ... this is one consultant who will not be having the pleasure of my company any time soon. Next stop my GP for advice ... thank goodness for understanding GPs.

Haematologist says a bone marrow transplant will offer only temporary relief as the systemic nature of auto-immune disease, RA in particular, means that it is unlikely that my system will support a transplant long term. Back to the drawing board and frequent blood tests.

I’m going for a synovectomy on my knee next Thursday ... just wait ‘til you read that scenario!!!

Lyn x
My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

Joanne C
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:29:07 PM Quote
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Dear Lyn,

I really don't know what to say, words fail me on your recent experiences especially at this appointment.

I know that you're a long term rheumatology service user, but I think what you've had to endure is unacceptable.

We had an issue with constantly cancelled appointments at my local hospital, it seems that it was the outpatient clinic schedule's and NOT the rheumatology clinic responsible. When it was raised with the right department they were furious, I'm fairly sure that an 11 month wait for someone who's disease isn't considered "stable" also is in breach of the nice guidelines.

I was also interested in the consultant saying that you can't have Enbrel without MTX, as I have been doing so for about 3 years now, and am probably the best I've been since diagnosis 18 years ago.

I know that you know your condition and that you're happy to raise issues, but I'd be concerned what other service users who may be newly diagnosed or less experienced in RA are having to go through.

Maybe these issues could be raised at the new NRAS group.

I really hope that you manage to the treatment you deserve Lyn, and that it's soon too.

My thoughts are with you!

Gentle HUGS

Jo.
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Julia17
#3 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:57:37 PM Quote
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Dear Lyn

I am totally speechless to be honest, I really am.

I think if I had had to endure such " treatment " given your condition at the present time I would have no faith in them at all. You know I m not very well up on all this but surely if you complain to the right authority you need to be seen by a hospital that respects its patient and looks after you properly. No doubt that may well prove difficult for whatever reasons but the level of care you have been shown is totally unacceptable and this has to be brought to the attention of the powers above. I am so angry I hope this all makes sense !

With love Julia x
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#4 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:18:54 PM Quote
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Lyn, so sorry you have had an awful apointment. Was this peson a real doctor??!! its an unbelievable situation. No one should wait so long for an appoinment in the first place!! then to be basically told, oh, well we cant do anything for you!" you have to complain about this Lyn. You are ill and need to be taken seriously, not seen by some useless doctor with no notes available!!! It makes me so ANGRY!!!!!Mad
BARBARA
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#5 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:40:28 PM Quote
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I can't believe this Lyn, has she taken you off the Enbrel? Like Jo says, her and others are taking Enbrel without mtx.
You really need to do something about this. Is there another consultant at the hospital? If so, I think if you ring PALS and complain ,and explain that you need to see the other consultant quickly so that you can stay on the enbrel.
Surely this doesn't mean that as soon as the anti-tnfs get our RA under control we know longer qualify for them!
It scares me because I am having to see a new consultant now, that's if I ever get an appointment.
Hope you can sort this out soon.

Love, Doreen xx
Sheila-R
#6 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:04:51 PM Quote
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Oh Lyn thats unforgivable, was this doctor really a rheumatologist? did they not understand all you've been through. I cannot believe that hosptals can treat folk like that, I think running late happens at most places, but then I get an apology. If you have the energy its a very strong complaint that needs to go in.
I think a chat with your GP is a good idea, he might be able to refer you somewhere else, I don't know if that can happen, but I don't see why not.
In the meantime I hope your joints stay well and the nutropenia? (sorry can't spell it) improves
With all best wishes
Sheila
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#7 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:22:33 PM Quote
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Hello Lyn thats disgraceful lack of care,
and no way should youve have ben on the standard 6 month wait which was the extended due to them cancelling,def go pals and ask them help sort this mess out.
also gp yet agin picking up peices from shoddy care.
feel so angry you been treated like this.
genlte hugs
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#8 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:36:13 PM Quote
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Hi Mrs Wilson from Mrs Wilson .

Yeap read it .Me think i would go and get the biggist bar of choc a stiff cup of coffee and sit and think what ever do i do next .

love christine RollEyes
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#9 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:47:09 PM Quote
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Dear Lyn,
So sorry you have had such poor treatment.
Hope your gp supports well next week, thank goodness for great GP's.
Need to raise concerns, will be thinking of you, let us know how you go along xx
With love from Liz xx
JulieM
#10 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:51:09 AM Quote
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Lyn, unfortunately i CAN believe this dreadful scenario. I had one appointment where I waited so long I actually fell asleep, and when they came to fetch me I literally couldn't stand up I was so stiff. It is infuriating and that doesn't even adequately describe it. And then they wonder why our BP is sky high when we get in.
It's nothing to them is it? But to you and me it's 6 MORE months in the same bloody state and life is passing us by. OOOOOOOOO I could strangle someone!
YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
ladygolfer
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:42:21 AM Quote
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Hi Lynn

Well I really couldnt believe all this, you must be so frustrated. On another note re the bladder problem you have. I also have some sort of problem and will have to have the cystoscopy. I had an ultrasound scan last year which did not detect anything, and the consultant sent a letter to the doctor which indicated that he thought there is a link between methotrexate and (I think) interstitial cystitis which as you most probably know is inflammation of the bladder lining. Mine are little flare ups that just last for a couple of hours and then go away. I did do a bit of research myself on the internet and it said that of some research that had been done 17% of the people in the study had RA and that interstitial cystitis in an immune system problem.

Regards

Val
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#12 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:40:14 PM Quote
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Oh Lyn..........just totally appalling. I, too, am speechless.

I have a feeling there is just one consultant at the BV - am I right? If so, maybe you need to see Dr Chat at Wrightington - he's absolutely amazing with Gwenda and never gives up trying to help her.

Look forward to a chat once you are "sorted".

Much love
Jeanxxxx
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#13 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:43:28 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn,

That is absolutely shocking treatment. I know you will not take this lying down, but again, it means a poorly person like yourself has to take up cudgels in spite of your problems, to get the treatment you deserve.

I, too, had a rheumy appointment last week, and my rheumy too was "running late," but she apologised profusely and with courtesy.

Losing your notes is completely unacceptable - how can this happen? Someone is not doing their job with due care and attention.

On the issue of DAS and the RA being under control - that`s the whole point of the anti-TNF`s, isn`t it? Surely if we have to stop them because the RA has improved we will then go back to square one, and the nightmare of rampant RA. I take humira and only humira, because of problems with MTX, so it doesn`t have to be used in combination, though I know the medics prefer it. I particularly discussed this with my own rheumy, who said that if the humira is doing a good job on its own there was no need at this stage to add anything.

I`m sorry and angry that you were treated like this, and hope your GP will take up the baton.

Take care,

Kathleen x

lyn2
#14 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:58:47 PM Quote
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Hello Lyn

I was going to say I had never heard of such discraceful behaviour from medics, but of course I have, many times, on this site. Words fail me, how they can treat someone so poorly in such a fashion with no care or thought for her needs?

I'm sure you know better than me who to complain to, so I expect you've thought of PALS. A talk with your GP is a good starting point. As for not having Enbrel without MTX, I've had it with and now without MTX. If it's doing a good job, why would they decide to stop it, surely that's the whole idea of keeping a patient stable.

It's extremely worrying, what's happening to the NHS, I have real concerns for the future. Not eveyone can go private, I certainly can't.

I hope you can get some satisfaction very soon.

Lyn
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Val (sorry to take over on your pots Lyn) its strange you mention the internal cystitis. I never have cystitis or thrush at all and over the last few days have had a feeling of needing to go, but when I get there nothing happens except some pain. Didnt even think of the mtx or any of the drugs, but very interesting to know, thank you.
BARBARA
LynW
#16 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:52:16 PM Quote
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Hello!

I did try to make it slightly funny although realising the seriousness of it all! Perhaps it is no laughing matter but a sense of humour is certainly needed in dealing with these people! Thank you all for your comments, thoughts and good wishes all of which have helped me to reach a decision!

Doreen, My Enbrel is still arriving so don't think she has stopped it yet, and I have a good supply. I think she's hoping to find my notes (which aren't lost you understand RollEyes ) before she decides what to do. I suspect she will then write to me with her decision. I know where my notes will be, 'Orthopaedics'! Duh!!

Chrissie, Thank you. Advice taken, eaten and enjoyed!!BigGrin

Val, Thanks for your thoughts. Oddly Interstial Cystitis is treated with Methotrexate! My bladder problems only seem to come about when I'm off MTX (suggesting perhaps that the drug is keeping them at bay) and neutropenic (low neutrophils so unable to fight infection well). My GP advises that each recent infection has been due to E-Coli. Blink

Jean, There are now 3 consultant rheumatologists at BVH. I'm asking to be transfered back to my previous one. Smile

Barbara, Sounds like you may have something like Cystitis or there again it could be an infection. Have you checked the opacity of the urine? If it's cloudy it could be infected. If problems persist I would get it checked. I was really poorly in January with a water infection I didn't even know I had. I went to see 'Strictly' in Manchester and really thought I wasn't going to last the day! Horrible it was Scared; good luck!

I have written to PALS today and expressed my displeasure at recent treatment both in Rheumatology and at the hands of less than competent staff in the Admissions department. As I'm likely to need these people in the future I decided that perhaps a firm but informed approach may be the best one to adopt. Raving, screeching, mad woman was a little less than fully believable and might have caused a swift tossing of my letter into the nearest recycling machine! I'm now writing a letter to my previous consultant asking if I can be transferred back to her list with future appointments at Clifton. If that is not an option I will think again.

Thinks are now a lot clearer from writing it all down and receiving feedback. Sometimes you reach the stage where you think "hold up ... is this just me?" So it's really good to have the thoughts of others who understand the plight.

Thank you everyone ThumpUp

Lyn x



My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

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#17 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:07:40 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn,

I'm absolutely gob-smacked at your story!! I remember I had a similar experience many years ago in the early days of my diagnosis and it's certainly not condusive to good health!! I now have a fantastic team and it makes all the difference.

Write the letters and definitely see your GP. After 22 years of RA, you deserve better than this!

Joanna
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Lynn - how shoddy and cavalier can a place be?? I'm glad you wrote to PALs and hope you receive the respectful reply you deserve after living with RA for 22 years.

Hope your GP helps you transfer to another rheumy. My GP said he would not like to be treated like I had been either and quickly arranged another consultant.

Just wanted to say thinking of you and hope you get sorted soon so you can get over the infections and get on with all the other things you want to be doing XX Ailsa
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I am glad you have written to PALs as i was going to suggest this first- this appointment or should we say non-appointment needs a complaint methinks!

I know I am always suggesting this to people but I would advise you change rheumatologists and seek a second opinion, privately. I know it is costly but it will be quick and thorough. They do read through your notes and they do give you adequate time. Like you said no rheumy can squeeze 22 years worth of rheumatoid into a 10min slot and this one didn't even have your notes!

I would suggest drinking the nearest alcoholic drink you can find but it may send your levels flying!

Much love,

Amanda

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Hi Lyn

Sorry about the mess the hospital has made. I was unhappy with my hospital and I was able to move which made me feel a lot better. What drugs do you feel would be "better". Surely patient knows best. System seems crazy.

take care
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